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>> no. >> did you tell your husband, please stop for our son? >> no. >> now, why were you concerned concerned -- let me step back for a minute. were you at all concerned about the effect of your husband's behavior on december 31st on your son? >> i do not like to fight in front of my son, so i was trying to avoid anything and i of course i was so angry he grabbed my arm in front of my son. >> why did that concern you? >> not only that, the profanity, i think, was worse for me. >> why did the profanity concern you with regard to your son? >> because it's not right to say that kind of things in front of my son. >> are you concerned.
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>> i don't say any bad word in front of him. >> are you concerned about the effects of that kind of behavior on your son? >> yes. >> and were you concerned about a negative effect on your son of your husband using force on you in the presence of your son? >> absolutely, very strong. >> were you concerned about your son growing up in an abusive environment? >> objection, relevance. chairperson hur: counsel, what is it going to? >> this is going to the witness' state of mind and what her state of mind was on the 31st with regard to the situation with her husband. it's part of our claim that the witness had an awareness that she was being abused and after the communications we have been going over over the past couple
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of nights that changed. chairperson hur: we'll allow this question. overruled. >> can you repeat the question? >> you were concerned about your son growing up in an abusive environment? >> i think an abusive environment is when that kind of thing happen every day or every week. i would never be -- i would never let my son have that kind of experience. but, of course, if it happened one time --. >> a warning signal. >> that you have to pay attention and that is why i was mad of him. >> did you tell cali williams you were concerned about your son growing up in an abusive environment? >> i think to cali williams, you
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said? >> yes. >> can you repeat the question? >> did you tell cali williams you were concerned about your son growing up in an abusive environment? >> yes. >> and when you that said to cali williams, were you referring to your own home? >> she was telling me about her father who was an abuser of her mother and hurt her mother, and he was, she described like a horrible domestic violence, and that affect her. she was telling me her own experience,ids, and i said, of course i do not want my son growing up in that kind of environment, but she was talking about her own experience because she, i think she grew up in a domestic violence house and her father, she described that her
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father. chairperson hur: ms. lopez, i'm going to stop you right there. >> i'm sorry. chairperson hur: you're starting to be nonresponsive to the question and i don't think we need to go into the details of that. i think you have your answer. move on. >> ok. >> and when you told your husband to stop in the kitchen, what happened after that? >> he moved to another room. >> how soon after he came into the house did you tell him to stop? how soon after your husband came into the house did you tell him "stop"? >> immediately he came inside and i say, you don't talk to me and stop. >> did you continue to argue with your husband inside your home? >> no, i just said that. >> didn't you tell cali williams
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that the argument with your husband continued inside your home? >> no. >> didn't you tell ivory madison that the fight with your husband continued inside your home? >> no. i told them exactly what i already told you right now. >> so did your husband push and pull and grab you inside your home? >> never. >> ok. didn't you tell ms. had son and ms. williams that your husband continued to physically abuse you in your home? >> no. >> ms. lopez, your testimony is that you never ran out of the house screaming on december 31st? >> yes. >> ok. now, after the fight with your husband on december 31, did you send a text message to abe mertens. >> december 31st? >> yes. >> and that message said, hello,
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where are you guys? >> yes. >> how long after the fight with your husband ended did you send that message to mr. mertens? >> i think that that was around0 when i started to make theo's lunch and i was hungry and we ate, theo and me, because i didn't want to cook for ross. and then we finished and i tried to put him down and he didn't want because we pass all the schedule, and then i took him to square park and when i was walking up the park, i text them because i was along with theo so maybe they can bring grace to play in the animal square park and i think that was around 2:00 or 3:00 because i was in the
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park between -- until maybe 4:00 p.m. >> ms. lopez, i asked you how long after the fight ended that you texted mr. mertens. >> and i was telling you the things i was doing. maybe you have the record. >> you don't know how long after the fight? >> no, we drive to the lunch, we come back, and then i make lunch, i feed him, maybe he went to the bathroom and i tried to put him down. maybe that took one hour, one hour and a half. >> so it was an hour to an hour and a half after the fight ended that you texted mr. mertens? >> yes, when we were walking to animal square park. >> on january 31st. >> this is yours? >> ok, sorry. >> on january 1, you went over to ivory madison's home?
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>> january 1? >> yes. >> yes. >> and you told ivory madison what your husband did on december 31? >> yes. >> did you tell ivory madison the truth about what happened on december 31? >> yes. >> had your husband ever been physically violent with you earlier in 2011 before december 31? >> no, this is the first time. >> now, you told ivory madison that you're husband's violent act toward you on december 31 was the second time he was physically violent toward you in 2011, didn't you? >> objection, that misstates the testimony and the evidence in the case. chairperson hur: i didn't quite hear the objection. >> objection, that misstates the testimony and the evidence in the case. chairperson hur: overruled. >> can you repeat the question? >> you told ivory madison that your husband's violent act on december 31, 2011, was the second time he was physically
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violent toward you in 2011. >> no. >> you told cali williams that your husband's violent act toward you on december 31 was the second time he was physically violent toward you in 2011? >> no. >> and you told cali williams the first time he was physicalle violent with you was in march of time we fight about and we -- when the situation about divorce, i was referring to that. >> so is it your testimony that you did not tell cali williams that that first violent incident was in march 2011? >> i didn't say that, yes. >> now, ma'am, you made a video that day at ivory madison's home? >> yes. >> in the videotape you made that day you pointed to your bruise and you said this is the second time this is happening? >> yes. >> was anything you said in your video untruthful? >> no.
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>> now, later in the day, you sent ivory madison an email on the 1st? >> i do not remember. >> so for the commission, i'm going to go to exhibit 48 and ms. lopez, you do have exhibit binders in front of you that are tabbed. exhibit -- rather large, exhibit 48 is in the larger binder.
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ms. lopez, if i can approach the witness? chairperson hur: yes. >> while the commissioners are getting their binders i'll ask you to look at that email that's exhibit 48 and i'll have a couple of questions for you. does looking at exhibit 48
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refresh your memory about whether you sent an email to ivory madison later on the 1st? >> yes. >> and this is a copy of that email? >> yes. >> you reference in the email, you ask ivory madison to send you the information from the therapist. >> uh-huh. >> had ivory madison offered to get some information for you? >> yes. >> you also mentioned that there's a line here that says, looks like ross, in doing research, too, i assume that means looks like ross is doing research, too? just a typo? >> yes. >> ok. what was your husband doing on january 1 with regard to what had happened on december 31? >> at the end of the day on december 31, we had a conversation and i told him this cannot happen, this is wrong,
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and i was telling him we need therapy, counseling. i was telling him that for the last year, and i think this is an important moment and you have to realize that we need help and he said, you are right. he realized that that was wrong and he took it very seriously, and he told me i'm going to looking for someone and i say i'm going to looking for someone, too. >> you mentioned that. >> i'm sorry, i'm sorry. so when i said ross is doing research, too, i think he was in the computer looking for information. i thought that. >> ms. lopez, you mentioned you had been suggesting to your husband for the past year -- i don't want to put words in your mouth. were you asking him for the past year to start therapy with you?
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>> yes. >> why? >> because when i move here, the only reason when i move here was because i met him and i want to have a family with him and was very hard for me to leave my home town, my career, but i want to do it because i decide that when in the moment when i decide to have a baby, i want to spend with him at least the first three years. so when i came here, for him, the home birth was not even an idea and i said i want a home birth because that is the safest and that is the best for our son.
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so i was very committed to do the best thing for my son. but after three years, he want to go back to work so to work for me is to be an actress and english is my second language so be working in san francisco as an actress, i couldn't find any place, not any tv station for work so i was trying to looking for things to do here as an actress and i didn't really find. so i made a movie between 2010 and 2011 so i travel. >> could you answer the question i asked. >> explain to you why i'm looking for therapy. it's not just one word. i will try to short it.
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let me finish a little bit. chairperson hur: why don't you stop your answer. mr. keith, do you feel you have the answer you want? is. >> i feel we're a couple of years before the answer. >> explain why you need therapy? chairperson hur: hold on. we'll stop the answer there. ask another direct question and the counselor for the sheriff will have an opportunity to ask you questions, as well. >> ms. lopez, when you had been asking your husband to go to couples therapy for the past year, was that because you thought that there were problems with how your family worked out disputes? >> no. >> when you decided to start asking your husband to go to therapy, it was because you thought you had faults, that you had to have fixed? >> you have what?
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no. well, i don't know. maybe i will discover that in therapy, but i think i. >> the question is what led you to want to get therapy and to ask your husband to go into therapy for the past year, it was something about his behavior that you found troubling that made you want to have your husband go to therapy? >> i think he has an irrational fear to allows us each time i have to travel to venezuela to work. i think he -- how he grew up without his father and he really had, that hurts him and was having the same age like theo, his mom took him away. i think he always feel that i'm going to take theo away from him and that is the line he told me, you just want to take theo away from me. no. i'm not your mom. so you have to go to therapy to
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realize that i will never take theo away from you. >> did that irrational fear that you saw in your husband lead to negative consequences for your family? >> i think he's always scared and i think that is very sensitive for him to lose theo and when that day i just ignored that and give him my back, he reacted in a very negative way and that was:. i turned my back to him and ignored his fears when he was talking to me and i think is why he grabbed my arm and i think that is well, obviously, i'm here because and theo cannot see his father, is a disaster for
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our family. i cannot even touch my husband. is a disaster. >> i'd like to ask my question. >> you asked me if that fear has horrible consequences. yes, this is a disaster. >> i asked you if that irrational fear on the part of your husband of losing you and theo have negative consequences for your family. did it or did it not? >> we are apart, that is horrible. >> before december 31, did it have negative consequences for your husband's behavior toward you? >> no. >> your husband's behavior toward you before december 31 was acceptable to you? >> yes. >> you had no complaints about his behavior toward you before december 31? >> objection, relevance. >>. chairperson hur: sustained. >> in this research that your husband was doing on january 1
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about possible resources to go to, were there any names he suggested to you? >> no. >> now, your husband took you on a trip to monterey on january 2 and 3. >> yes. >> and as of january 2, did you understand that you were in an abusive relationship with your husband? >> i'm sorry. >> can you repeat that question, please? chairperson hur: ms. cani, i appreciate that you need to be here but that's not acceptable. >> the problem is, your honor, that shepwas -- shep was distracted. chairperson hur: i don't want to hear it. can we have the question read back, please? [court reporter read back the
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question. >> that assumes facts not in evidence. chairperson hur: ask a foundational question, that's sustained. >> as of january 2, did you feel you were in an abusive relationship with your husband? >> of course, no. >> as of january 2, did you understand that your husband's behavior was a serious problem for you and theo? >> no. >> you and ivory madison sent several emails back and forth to each other during that trip to monterey january 2 and 3, is that correct? >> yes. >> i'd like to show you exhibit 50 and i have a copy so you don't have to flip to it.
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>> thank you. >> ms. lopez, exhibit 50 is a four-page exhibit. the first page is a response to an email that you wrote and then the next three pages show the full email that ms. madison wrote to you. >> yes. >> and so if you look at the -- if you turn past the first page to the second page, you'll see the beginning of a longer email from ms. madison to you dated monday, january 2, 2012, at 10:59 a.m. do you see in a. >> in that? >> yes. >> and you received that email from ms. madison while you were
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in monterey? >> yes. >> and you r email? >> yes. >> and the response to that email is the first page of exhibit 50. you see that, that's an email you sent january 2, 2012, at 11:18 a.m. >> yes. >> ok. now, what's the first line of the email that you wrote to ivory madison? >> i am agreed with everything. >> and by that you meant you agreed with everything she wrote to you? >> do you want to explain what i mean with that? >> you wrote i am agree with everything. do you mean you agree. >> yes, in her email. she said. >> ms. lopez, i haven't finished my question. as of january 2, when you wrote this, did you agree with everything that she wrote to
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you? >> she said in her email, you have to call -- i don't remember which line it is, but i know that she said that you have to call the police to just say theo had run into -- i think she took that run outside from this email -- just stay still and run into a neighbor's house or down the street and lock yourself in the car or in the same room with him even if he's calmed down, whatever is needed. every time there is an incident. >> ms. lopez, you may have misunderstood my question. i only asked you if when you wrote in on january 2 you were saying you agreed with everything. >> i was agreed if that happened, i agree, i have to call the police. that was that i wrote i am agree with everything, of course, if
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this happen, i have to call the police. that means i am agreed with everything. >> ok. now, you -- in this email that you wrote back to ivory madison on january 2, did you tell her to stop contacting people to look for help for you? >> oh, no. i said she was not using my name. she told me everything was confidential. >> now, you were aware -- as of january 2, you were aware that the situation with your husband was serious? >> objection, vague. chairperson hur: , ms. lopez, do you understand the question? >> can you repeat the question?
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chairperson hur: sustained. >> did you -- in the email that ivory madison sent to you, she said that your situation was serious. >> there's no question pending. chairperson hur: that's not a question. >> ms. lopez, did you understand that the email to include ivory madison advising you that your situation was serious? >> yes, she sent me this email on january 2, yes. so -- but that was not our conversation on january 1. >> i understand. >> ok. >> now, in this email, ivory
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madison advised you to call the police every time that -- that there was improper behavior by your husband toward you. >> if she advised me that? >> yes, how did you interpret this email? what advice did she give to you regarding calling the police in response to your husband's behavior? >> yes, i think on january 2, after she talk with so many people about this case, she change to now start to telling me, i think she start the plan to convince me to call the police in this email is the first step. >> so in this email, ivory madison is advising you to call the police in response to your husband's behavior? >> in this email, january 2, after she talk with so many people, yes. >> ok. >> that was not our conversation on january 1. >> there's no question pending. >> i was think finishing my ans.
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>> as of january 2, you realized that your husband was controlling and withholding about money? >> objection, relevance. chairperson hur: counsel, what's the relevance of this? >> it goes to the power and control issues that are referenced in ms. lemon's declaration. chairperson hur: i think we sustained most of these objections to these facts from madison and mertens. i'm inclined to sustain the objection. is there any opposing view from the commissioners? sustained. >> now, there's another email that you sent to ivory madison while you were on your trip on
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january 3, it's exhibit 51. i have a copy for you. >> it's not this one. >> it's not that one. >> ok, i'm sorry. thank you. >> now, ms. lopez, is exhibit 51 an email that you sent to ms. madison on january 3 at 2:45 p.m.? >> yes. >> ok. and one of the things that you mention in the email is that the aquarium was so nice and ross fed us regularly without complaint. >> yes. >> why did you write to ms. madison that ross fed you regularly without
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